But ALSO TO HELP MITIGATE IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS SUFFERING MUCH COMMUNITY. That IS SUFFERING MUCH MORE DISPROPORTIONATELY MORE DISPROPORTIONATELY. The OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. The OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT I HAD AN INTERVIEW IS THAT I HAD AN INTERVIEW YESTERDAY THAT I WAS ASKED A YESTERDAY THAT I WAS ASKED A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION AND HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION AND HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS. Sometimes HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS SOMETIMES CAN GET YOU INTO SOME CAN GET YOU INTO SOME DIFFICULTY BECAUSE ITS –, WHAT DIFFICULTY, BECAUSE ITS –, WHAT WOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE THE WOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE THE NATURE OF THE HYPOTHETICAL NATURE OF THE HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION WAS IF, IN FACT, We QUESTION WAS, IF, IN FACT, WE ADMIT GATED EARLIER COULD LIVES, ADMIT GATED EARLIER COULD LIVES HAVE BEEN SAVED, HAVE BEEN SAVED AND THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION AND THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION AS I ALWAYS DO AND IM DOING AS I ALWAYS DO AND IM DOING Right NOW, PERFECTLY HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW PERFECTLY HONESTLY SAY: YES,

Say YES, OBVIOUSLY, IF MITIGATION HELPS, OBVIOUSLY, IF MITIGATION HELPS IVE BEEN UP HERE TELLING YOU IVE BEEN UP HERE TELLING YOU MITIGATION WORKS MITIGATION WORKS. So IF MITIGATION WORKS AND YOU SO IF MITIGATION WORKS AND YOU DO IT EARLIER, YOU PROBABLY DO IT EARLIER. You PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAVED MORE LIVES, WOULD HAVE SAVED MORE LIVES. If YOU INITIATED IT LATER, YOU, IF YOU INITIATED IT LATER, YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LOST MORE, PROBABLY, WOULD HAVE LOST MORE LIVES, LIVES, YOU INITIATE IT AT A CERTAIN. You INITIATE IT AT A CERTAIN TIME. Time THAT WAS TAKEN AS A WAY THAT THAT WAS TAKEN AS A WAY THAT MAYBE SOMEHOW SOMETHING WAS AT. Maybe SOMEHOW SOMETHING WAS AT FAULT HERE FAULT HERE. So, LET ME TELL YOU FROM MY SO LET ME TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK EXPERIENCE AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE. Is THAT FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING BEFORE ANY. We HAVE BEEN TALKING BEFORE ANY MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE PROS AND THE CONS, THE PROS AND THE CONS, THE EFFECTIVENESS OR NOT, OF STRONG EFFECTIVENESS OR NOT OF STRONG MITIGATIONS.

Mitigations, SO DISCUSSIONS WAS GOING ON, SO DISCUSSIONS WAS GOING ON MOSTLY AMONG THE MEDICAL PEOPLE, MOSTLY AMONG THE MEDICAL PEOPLE, ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME THAT DR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME THAT DR. BIRX AND I WENT IN AND FORMALLY BIRX AND I WENT IN AND FORMALLY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PRESIDENT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESIDENT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A “SHUTDOWN” IN THE SENSE OF NOT “SHUTDOWN” IN THE SENSE OF NOT REALLY SHUTDOWN. But TO HAVE REALLY SHUTDOWN BUT TO HAVE STRONG MITIGATION. We DISCUSSED STRONG MITIGATION, WE DISCUSSED IT

It OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE CONCERN BY SOME THAT, IN FACT, CONCERN BY SOME THAT, IN FACT MIGHT HAVE SOME NEGATIVE MIGHT HAVE SOME NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES. Nonetheless, THE PRESIDENT, NONETHELESS, THE PRESIDENT LISTENED TO THE RECOMMENDATION, LISTENED TO THE RECOMMENDATION AND WENT TO THE MITIGATION AND WENT TO THE MITIGATION THE NEXT SECOND TIME THAT I WENT THE NEXT SECOND TIME THAT I WENT WITH DR. BIRX INTO THE PRESIDENT, WITH DR. BIRX INTO THE President AND SAID 15 DAYS ARE NOT AND SAID, 15 DAYS ARE NOT ENOUGH. We NEED TO GO 30 DAYS ENOUGH. We NEED TO GO 30 DAYS. Obviously THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO, OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

Had A PROBLEM WITH THAT, SO I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT I SO I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT MY RECOMMENDATIONS KNOW AND WHAT MY RECOMMENDATIONS WAS BUT CLEARLY, AS HAPPENS ALL THE BUT CLEARLY, AS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. There WERE INTERPRETATIONS TIME THERE WERE INTERPRETATIONS OF THAT RESPONSE TO A OF THAT RESPONSE TO A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION THAT I HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION THAT I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE VERY JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE VERY NICE FOR ME TO CLARIFY – BECAUSE I NICE FOR ME TO CLARIFY, Because I DIDNT HAVE THE CHANCE TO DIDNT, HAVE THE CHANCE TO CLARIFY

Clarify THANK YOU. Thank YOU. [INAUDIBLE QUESTION.] [, INAUDIBLE QUESTION], > >. I DONT REMEMBER THE DATE > > I DONT REMEMBER THE DATE WAS WAS I CAN TELL YOU THE FIRST AND I CAN TELL YOU THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME THAT I SAID WE SHOULD ONLY TIME THAT I SAID WE SHOULD DO MITIGATION STRONGLY. The DO MITIGATION STRONGLY. The RESPONSE WAS YES WELL, DO IT RESPONSE WAS YES? Well, DO IT > >? What DID YOU DO THE TRAVEL > >? What DID YOU DO THE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS IN RESTRICTIONS IN > >? No, THAT WAS SEPARATE, > >. No, THAT WAS SEPARATE. That WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE THAT WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO GO INTO A MITIGATION WANTED TO GO INTO A MITIGATION STAGE OF 15 DAYS STAGE OF 15 DAYS. The TRAVEL WAS ANOTHER. The TRAVEL WAS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION. When WE SAID WE RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE SAID WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE DOING, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE DOING THAT AND THE ANSWER WAS YES AND THE ANSWER WAS YES.

And THEN ANOTHER TIME IS WE AND THEN ANOTHER TIME IS WE SHOULD DO IT WITH EUROPE? Should DO IT WITH EUROPE? And THE ANSWER WAS YES, AND THE ANSWER WAS YES AND THE NEXT TIME WE SHOULD DO AND THE NEXT TIME WE SHOULD DO IT WITH THE UK IT WITH THE UK, AND THE ANSWER WAS YES AND THE ANSWER WAS YES, > > IN THIS INTERVIEW YOU SAID > > IN THIS INTERVIEW YOU SAID THERE WAS PUSHBACK. There WAS a pushback. Where DID THAT PUSHBACK COMES? Where DID THAT? Pushback COME FROM FROM > >? No, THAT WAS THE WRONG CHOICE: > >! No, THAT WAS THE WRONG CHOICE OF WORDS.

Of WORDS, WHEN PEOPLE DISCUSS NOT WHEN PEOPLE DISCUSS NOT NECESSARILY IN FRONT OF THE NECESSARILY IN FRONT OF THE PRESIDENT, BUT WHEN PEOPLE PRESIDENT, BUT WHEN PEOPLE DISCUSS THEY SAY WELL, THIS IS DISCUSS, THEY SAY WELL. This IS GOING TO HAVE MAYBE A HARMFUL GOING TO HAVE. Maybe A HARMFUL EFFECT EFFECT. It WASNT ANYBODY SAYING: NO, YOU IT WASNT ANYBODY SAYING: NO! You SHOULDNT DO THAT. Shouldn’t! Do THAT > >! Are YOU DOING THIS > >? Are YOU DOING THIS VOLUNTARILY?